multiple newspapers and media outlets in the days after reported dylan and his father having the kind of relationship where, when dylan would come home from school, they would share a snack and read the sports section of the newspaper together. Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, on April 9, 1981. Few more places I can't think of now. But you also can't argue with success. Younger brother to Kevin Harris (21 at the time). Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! Dylan Klebold was interviewed inside the Columbine libary on January 30th, 1998. I think that even I have sustained some slight rewiring from that, though not anywhere *near* to the extent of my brother's. I shudder to think what kind of excuses you make for YOUR spawn's horrific behavior, R62. ", "R77, there are people who don't have feelings.". We will just do the opposite and everyone will be safe. He's wearing black BDUs (military-style pants) tucked into military-style boots. For not seeing that, I will never forgive myself.. Theyd never seen his rage, nor ever felt scared of him. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, dressed in trench coats, began shooting fellow students outside Columbine High School, located in a suburb south of Denver. I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. (Video) My son was a Columbine shooter. It's about a half an hour before our little judgment day. Her recounting of the details of Dylans life, combined with what we learned about school shooters in general, paints a picture of how this particular child ended up committing one of the most infamous massacres in American history. ", [quote]Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". Boston: Pearson. Planning? Eric Harris was quite the hottie, I don't understand why he had to go and kill himself. It Always seems like he didn't give a damn about them, in his writings and in the Basement Tapes. Eric is filming. Goodbye. These two need to be gutted and hung out for the vultures. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. Don't believe me? Tom was a geophysicist, Sue worked with handicapped people. on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020 As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. Describes how eric harris and dylan klebold approach columbine high school, in jefferson county, colorado. One young doctor said, "I don't know if you can teach compassion, but you surely can teach the opposite! But Sue and her husband didnt know what the signs they were seeing meant. FULL DOCO - PT 2 OF 3, 2. If only we would have asked the right questions." I think it's really odd that Tom Said Dylan was His best friend and Dylan Kind of didn't seem to care at all about his dadso one of them Had a really wrong perception. Its hard to tell. Even still, he seemed happy and had a handful of close friends. And now she won't show it. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stormed into Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 13 people before killing themselves. "American Tragedy" premieres at the Boston Film Festival on Thursday at 7 p.m. In general: School shootings happen most at high schools, with a student at the school acting alone as the shooter. They then killed themselves in the school library. Second, the reason no one at the school noticed is because no one is ever trained to notice. It was weird. Not only would that give us someone to blame (someone still living, unlike Eric and Dylan, who turned their guns on themselves), but it would also allow the psychic distance between x93usx94 and x93themx94 that frightened humans crave. The interview is set to air on "20/20" this Friday, coinciding with . Focus on the mental. r54 is right. There are several bags on the floor, including a large maroon one. His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? We monitored what movies our boys could see, and put them to bed with stories and prayers and hugs (p. 61). I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. [quote]It is absolutely the parents vault. None of us knows exactly how the brain works. Ignore them. I guess it's my generation. Those kids were their responsibility legally. Their teenage son, along with his classmate Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999. Funny how things cycle.". Thats Something that stands out about Dylan anyway, the Lack of Emotion regarding his parents. What I am saying is that the cause is something deeper and more primal than "society.". There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. Its exactly people like you that caused this massacre to happen in the first place. Eric Harris was an American murderer from Wichita, Kansas. Kids hide things. They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. He was enrolled in a program for juvenile offenders run by the county court, he was taken to a psychiatrist and given both therapy and medication. These people do have emotions. Too bad. Byron Klebold is Dylan's older brother - photo of him at link. This is my story | Sue Klebold, (Video) Sue Klebold: My life as the mother of a Columbine killer (EXCLUSIVE) - BBC Newsnight, (Video) Chris Morris friend of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, (Video) COLUMBINE SHOOTER: DYLAN KLEBOLD'S MOTHER GIVES FIRST TV INTERVIEW ! Has anyone seen it who can comment? Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . I've met members in USA, UK, Norway, Sweden,Germany,Brazil, Chile, Ireland, India and the Bahamas. Tom Klebold said they hope to understand someday why the shooting happened. I believe the parents both left the Columbine area, and possibly the state of Colorado. No one could control him. Wayne worked as a transport pilot for the United States Air Force, while . 04-20-1999 Died. By David Brooks. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. They made sure to know who their kids were spending time with, and made sure they knew and felt that they were loved. (The OP was looking for books on personality mirroring and other techniques sociopaths use). If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters. You have no right to disrupt someone else's place of business. I am certain that Sue no longer lives there but she still does visit the house as two Columbiners took a Columbine/E &D tour" in Jan .or Feb and saw Sue outside the house as they drove by. I mean, I purposefully avoided everything except a quick glance at the CNN and MSNBC frontpages, but they had stories about the anniversary pretty front and center. Tom and I failed to recognize these conditions and to curtail the influences violent entertainment, his friendship with Eric that exacerbated them. Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. Teachers did nothing. I wanted a contribution to help us understand why it happened, so that it would never happen again. Bull fucking shit. We are not there yet. Dylan Klebold, along with his friend Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 23 others in April, 1999 in Columbine High School, before they turned their guns on . The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. I don't know if the Klebolds had any inkling at all, but I really don't get the Harrises. Harris also had sadistic tendencies, which propelled him to "seek vengeance.". Eric also said he had purposefully not been spending much time with his family so there wouldn't be much "bonding" leading up to April 20 since that would make it harder to do. i cannot remember nor can i find the source for this but im half certain its in his interview in the 11k. After sitting and waiting for 13 hours, I just needed to get home. So he called me and offered to go to the school in hopes of negotiating with Dylan. GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) _ Less than three months before his deadly rampage at Columbine High School, Dylan Klebold was described by a probation officer as intelligent and capable of making any dream happen, according to juvenile records made public Friday. As I often do, Ill leave the author the last word on why understanding the process her son went through is important: Dylan was vulnerable in many ways unquestionably emotionally immature, depressed, possibly suffering from a more serious mood or personality disorder. r109 is quick to dismiss r108 as a "troll". "This is my (completely layman's) opinion, but I've always figured that we have more or less tamped down the "How" of the brain, but we're still working on the "Why" of the brain.". Andreas Lubitz, Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold and Anders Breivik (from left to right) On the second . So no, nothing in the gifted program could have helped this kid. When the clerk told him "Hey, your clips are in." What is something of a mystery to me is why things reached the point they did. He was afraid Dylan might be involved. On Dylan's part, I think that in January 1999, he was depressed and preparing to die - distancing himself from those he loved, so that it would be easier for him to carry out the attack. Dylan, Cullen writes, was depressed. They do not have a moral center that can be reached. Eric Harris was a garden variety psychopath, nothing very interesting about him. . See? You're a judgmental twat, r14. x93There is no comfort for parents here,x94 Cullen told me yesterday. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. Based on the end of Cullen's book, who was of course supposed to be a guest, most of them have moved on. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. "Psychopaths don't feel guilty because they are blind to guilt," Ochberg said. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. His point is that "society" didn't have too much of anything to do with how Harris turned out--he was born that way. When someone is in a store, that is not their own private property. To be clear, I'm sure the Klebold's obviously loved their children, but reading Dylan's writings, there was more going on in that home that Sue would say today. So I'm gone. WOuldn't one of the friends have felt him a little bit off, at the least? The parents cars were in the driveway. And psychiatrists, rather dubious "doctors" push drugs. Dylanx92s father worked from home and saw his son every day. After-hours phone calls to Times officials were not returned, and Brooks did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for comment. Dylan wrote an essay about a school shooting that disturbed his teacher enough that it was referred to the school counselor. There's a blurb on the back flap comparing the book to Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood, and I thought that was just kind of typical PR purple mumbo-jumbo. I certainly understand how they feel. [quote]Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. The pair . Also when I was growing up, people had no qualms about calling a parent and saying "Your little boy Johnny said something really awful to my son today." or "Your little Janey slapped Susey today and she needs to stop doing that." Children learn psychopathy from their parents (e.g., the Bushes). VERIFY: In the past 20 years did the majority of mass shooters take psychotropic drugs? A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebold's memoir A Mother's Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters.While I was able to share the manner by which she communicated her ideas and insights, I wasn't able to . Other way around. In the April 24 column, Brooks had paraphrased an article in the online publication Slate that said Harris and Klebold yearned to become the most prolific mass murders in history. VOTN, I have Cullen's book but have not yet started it. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. . I can't find any photos of Eric's older brother, Kevin. Discover Detailed Biography Of Dylan Klebold Wiki, Net Worth, Age, Fa . Any pix of the monster creators? Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. And while his father was the epitome of the military asshole, having to deal with him only served to hone Eric's skills in fooling people. Sue received a number of letters from people whod gone to Columbine who were more surprised that a shooting hadnt happened sooner than that one had happened at all. Here's what you need to know: 1. Dylan ended the shooting which saw 13 . The parents of Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, remained in seclusion Wednesday as a global media horde encamped at their houses after the murderous rampage Tuesday at Columbine High School. I could have built an atomic bomb in my bedroom and they wouldn't have known or cared. Hers was a love as dark and true, as embracing and self-abnegating, as Cordelia's. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, seniors at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., placed . You unterstand. I'm not a troll anonymous. "Susan said, came when somebody said, "I forgive you for what you've done." LITTLETON, Colo. Just 15 people attended the funeral of Columbine High School killer Dylan Klebold on Saturday two ministers, eleven mourners and two anguished parents wondering where they'd gone . Eric said his father never asked whether the caller even had the right phone number. WTF?!? As much as it sucked I knew deep down that it was just a stage and that it wasn't real. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. His parents were Wayne and Katherine. Ed Berg, a former business associate who has talked to Tom Klebold since the shootings, said Dylan's father has come to grips with the boy's crime. Even after he broke into a car and stole stuff, there was no monitoring of his time spent making pipe bombs or firing guns or playing video games that glorified killing. She behaves as if it is normal, as if she doesn't even hear it. I wish the Harris and Klebold parents were rotting in prison right now as a lesson to parents that wash their hands of it and say "not my problem. OP, I agree with you. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. Similiarly if a child is screaming at playmates and/or siblings and will not stop, you have to move in and take control of the situation. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Brown can . Dylan and Robyn had fun. Dylan also writes in his journal that. She and the father lectured him, took away . Isaiah's father said. Or if they are, it's not because they're running amok in the store. I was just worried Dylan was unhappy (p. 227). One particular incident was uncovered where Dylan and Eric (the other shooter) were surrounded by a group, pushed around, called slurs, and had ketchup sprayed on them. From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. (p. 311-312) Synthesizing the many factors, its argued that most school shooters have a history of social rejection, along with either psychological problems, an interest in weapons, and/or a fascination with death (p. 314). The Klebolds stayed, at least as of 2004. The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. In any case, teenagers can be quite unfair to their parents. [quote]The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. so it seems that they had a pretty solid relationship from what has been released. It would be comforting to think otherwise. He was steady enough on his feet to run, but not to stop himself from losing balance and falling, which he did, forehead-first right into the metal bed frame. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. comes from the shittiest of shitty, lazy parent(s). VOTN needs to get a clue. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. Very,very sad but not surprising.The majority of parents who have lost a child end up splitting up.No matter how much they loved each other or how strong of a relationship they had before the tremendous strain and grief is often too much to endure. This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" Maybe I'm just feeling too knowledgeable having been re-reading Steve Pinker's "How The Mind Works" recently. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. Of course there is no formula for determining whether someone will turn out to be a school shooter, but I definitely agree with the sentiment that it is important to look at how these things happen. Sue Klebold, mother of Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold, poses for a portrait on Feb. 23, 2016. I don't think it's fair to either demonize or absolve them, but from studies of psychopathy, even the best parenting can't make that be turned off. The two would . They had heard the gunmen may have been part of the Trench Coat Mafia, a loose group of students, including their son, who said athletes at Columbine bullied them. I am with R14 and 15. But 936 pages of evidence taken from the killers' homes and cars were released by the Jefferson County Sheriff's office on Thursday, and a notebook kept by Eric's father . His parents didnt yet know to monitor his internet usage. Posted 3 years ago . Dylan Klebold. In Cub Scouts, he was a bright, dedicated boy who worked hard for his badges. I couldn't put the book down, and even though I thought I knew the ending of the story, or at least most of it, I have to admit, the last couple of chapters, specifically the one detailing the Basement Tapes, and the one about what had happened leading up to Harris and Klebold committing suicide were fucking frightening. April 20, 2009 6:01 PM. How can that not bother you? Think of kids who commit suicide - often you hear their family say, "We had no idea." Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, but moved around frequently as a child due to his father's occupation in the United States Air Force, while Klebold was born and raised near Columbine. I can't remember. From her comment on her official website, she felt it was disrespectful to focus on the killers when today should be all about the victims. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting. Eric David Harris (April 9, 1981 - April 20, 1999) and Dylan Bennet Klebold (/ . I can't help it. Victim's parents reactThe Klebolds comments was criticized late Saturday by some of the victims parents. But they confess that in the main, they have no explanation. The goal seems to have been parental appeasement. I don't really know what to say about the parents. Another migrant here from the other Columbine thread who's reading Cullen's book--. . Im horrified, Dawn Anna, whose daughter Lauren Townsend was killed at Columbine, told The Associated Press. R71, having seen Patti Lupone shit all over Gypsy, I can assure you, there's a Hell. Dylan kept talking about college, about his future. (They werent.) . It was very easy to read despite being a difficult topic. I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. crap. These things outweighed their concerns about him. A Further Examination: Sue Klebolds case study of her son, Dylan Klebold, Trauma and Suicide within Law Enforcement, Mental Health and Mass Murders: The Connection between Trauma and School Shootings, Mental Health Treatment in Correctional Facilities, Forensic Behavior Analysis: Self Care in the CJ Field, Trauma in Female Juvenile Inmates and Delinquents. They often have an interest in guns and weapons, with easy access to firearms, and have often repeatedly made clear their violent intentions to others (usually peers). His dad followed him around with a camcorder, capturing every move. His grades fell to average. Just know I'm going to a better place. Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. I've linked an article from Nature magazine about it. In the vacuum of actual news, they just start over again. Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. Ericx92s parents knew their son was no angel x97 he broke into a van, he was found making pipe bombs and setting them off for fun x97 and they took steps to address this. I had to fight for their basic rights because allegedly educated teachers thought things like "retards are dangerous" and "retards should be kept away from the good kids". Dylan says people will note the date and time when watching it. Sue Klebold decided to speak up now because she wants to tell other parents the signs she missed and what she would do differently. We've hardly seen him & attempts to engage him have been futile. His father was a geophysicist and a mother worked with the disabled . I'm just thinking of the argument Sue mentioned in her book where Tom was insisting that Dylan remove his baseball hat before they went for breakfast (during their visit to Arizona State University). However, there is credible, tangible, measurable, and repeatable evidence that there are some people, for whatever reason, have their brains wired differently. I don't think I can categorize Dylan's relationship with his parents as bad or good, because Dylan was incredibly disturbed teen and clearly had a skewed perception of reality. . Subject: Re: The Klebolds are DIVORCED Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 pm. Denver area Jews, meanwhile, have expressed discomfort at the emphasis being paid to Klebold's alleged Jewishness. ", Eric "If only we would have searched their room. : apparently tom was really hurt when 4/20 happened and grieved heavily because he felt like him and dylan were best friends, and had especially gotten closer in the months prior. Thank you! Good-bye. Eric's parents were both born in Colorado but while his father Wayne Harris was working in the Air Force as a transport pilot, Wayne held 11 different positions at six different bases in Ohio . Tom had a huge hobby for fixing up BMW's. She is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre that occurred on April 20, 1999. We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. Sue provides details that help us address some of the other considerations as well. Dylan Bennett Klebold. Both are from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. 6. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. He and his partner Dylan Klebold were responsible for the Columbine High School massacre (1999). The real tragedy of Columbine isn't the deaths, it's the failure to work to change our culture (from bullying to gun control) in the aftermath. His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. Eric: "Yea Everyone I love, I'm really sorry about all this. Yaron Steinbuch. He still was the boy his parents joked seemed to be on autopilot (p. 65), but Sue notes that this may have been particularly dangerous in his case. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold. Adam killed 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary. Tom seemed to view Dylan as his best friend/soulmate, at least according to what Sue has told us. That kid was born with some sort of brain injury. As the mother of Columbine High School shooter Dylan Klebold prepares to speak out in her first interview since the gruesome 1999 shooting massacre, a survivor of the attacks has . "Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting". It's always about management. Jefferson County Public Schools officials have consistently denied that bullying was tolerated or that athletes received special treatment. I remember Oprah had teachers and students from Columbine on her show within a month of the event. Ridiculous. I remember Oprah had teachers and students from Columbine on her show within a month of the event. They've got a son who's very bright and makes good grades, yet he hasn't applied to college and has made only a half-assed attempt to enlist in the Marines (I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter). Virginia Tech. Im looking for possible warning signs of trouble between these two individuals and their father-son relationship. What kind of parent lets their kid have a swastika prominently displayed in their room (as just one of many, many signs that their offspring had problems)? Firstly, like everyone else he didnt pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his best friend. I do find it odd that youd characterise your 17 year old son as your best friend anyway, youre his father. A Further Examination: Sue Klebold's case study of her son, Dylan Klebold. Neither seemed to know where or with whom he was most of the time. Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . I didnt hear it.. Yet, despite a happy upbringing, Dylan still did what he did. How they could live with themselves is beyond me. Some folks do indeed work from very primitive brain impulses. His mom was trying to find the best fit for him, but I suspect it ended up being more difficult for him), and both enjoyed violent video games. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. [] Asking why only makes us feel hopeless. AAron Ontiveroz/the Denver Post via Getty Images In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.. Was Tom there for him when he needed him? Dylan seems to have been a very unhappy person. Eric's also wearing a plaid shirt that's either dark blue or black with white, with a white t-shirt on underneath. Or is your tiny mind only capable of two viewpoints? Eric . Sue and her husband were vehemently opposed, but Dylan still asked for a gun for Christmas his final year. I kind of admire that. Her son's name became famous when in 1999 he became one of two direct perpetrators of the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history. Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . When I moved out on my own I gained the privacy afforded to adults. We just share a brotherhood of admiration and belief in R &V. We sympathize with each other. Tonight, an interview with Sue Klebold, Dylan's mother, is set to air on the ABC news-magazine . Kids do know about their frineds. Born: 4-9-1981. Sue Klebold Recalls What Her Son Dylan Was Like at Home: Part 2. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. It is very difficult to assign causality in cases like this. Who is "limiting" the discussion to the brain? German-American restaurant owner: "You vill not be a mass murderer!" My own experience is that my gifted teacher dragged me out of sporting events because they weren't academic enough, encouraged my teachers to assign me extra work that the other kids didn't do, and basically didn't understand teenagers, high school, or what it was like to be ostracized at all. The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. We relate. It's still about management. Or it's everything. Sure, that'll work! For a couple reasons. Answer (1 of 2): His mother has (admirably, if belatedly) committed herself to educating people on how to spot the signs of malignant tendencies in their children in an effort to help separate real danger signs from "normal" teen BS.