Mountain lions live in the state. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Is this kind of a typical story. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Thank you. Can we go to the site. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. I just want to tell you a story that I read. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Less successful males roam further. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Love hearing these stories. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. And so. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Give today. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Just. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. I don't know if she still is. John thanks. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Can you look into this picture. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. One was in Shelton. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Why are there so many false positives? So what counts as verifiable evidence? Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. And you know all that. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. John. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. We want answers. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. That's next time on one day. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. You don't know what's going on. Peter Biello: Ok. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Good morning guys. There's no attraction. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. Administrative Links. David Erler says some of them probably have. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. That's too big for Bobcat. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you very much for listening. "Of those three to five reports,. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. We'll push great photos to the front page. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Does not test random Scouts. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. Yes. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. What do you think that. Post your sightings and NH photos here! N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . Seems reasonable! Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. It's you know I recognized their report and. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. I have one that's more elaborate than that. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Do they travel. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Patrick Tate: Well. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. And they were using all the habitat. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. We're not in the woods. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. These were normal everyday folks. Mike you're on the air. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. Sam. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. Caller: I have yeah. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not.